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Anne Rice. I read Interview with a Vampire, The Vampire Lestat, and about three chapter of Queen of the Damned before getting bored, all, as I recall, while crashing at the house of someone who owned them and not much else other than The Godfather and a lot of early gay literature of the "angsty young man angsts" variety. (The book of The Godfather is not much like the movie. It opens with a scene in which a woman angsts over her hugely cavernous vagina, which is so immense that she can't even feel a normal-sized penis inside it. Luckily Sonny has an equally monstrous penis.) Honestly, the first two vampire books were entertaining popcorn reading. The vampire angst made a nice break from the sexual orientation angst and the Grand Canyon Vagina angst. (The Vampire Chronicles Collection, Volume 1BERJAYA)

Jessica Amanda Salmonson. I don’t seem to own them and haven’t read them in ages, but I recall enjoying her fantasy riff on the story of female samurai Tomoe Gozen, with added ghosts and demons, Tomoe GozenBERJAYA and The Golden Naginata (Tomoe Gozen #2)BERJAYA.

Sydney J. Van Scyoc. Author of a bunch of quirky, small-scale science fiction novels, of which by far the best of the ones I read was DarkchildBERJAYA. On a lost colony (so lost that the people living there think they’re native to it), people have evolved all sorts of adaptations to their harsh environment, from ritualized hibernation to complex new types of relationships. The ruling women have complicated and weird psychic powers, which enable them to protect their villages from the harsh environment. But these powers can only be activated by a ritual in which a teenage girl goes out alone and armed with nothing but a wooden spear, to kill the most ferocious beast she can find. If she had psychic potential to begin with, the adrenaline rush will trigger a mental and physical change in her, and she will take her mother’s place on the throne. Or maybe the beast will kill her before anything has a chance to happen. Or maybe she had no potential, and, shocked by her lack of change, will seek beast after beast until one finally takes her down. “Palace daughters” have an extremely high mortality rate.

You’d think that’s plenty of plot for one slim novel, but no! It’s really about a palace daughter who befriends a mysterious amnesiac boy whose secrets involve tons more complicated worldbuilding and plot. Intricate, fun, and strange. There are sequels which don’t live up to the lavish inventiveness of the first book, which stands on its own.

ETA: Van Scyoc was actually first published in the 60s. Thanks for the correction, [personal profile] tool_of_satan!

Nancy Springer. I read a whole bunch of her urban fantasy in the 80s and remember enjoying it, but it doesn’t seem to have stuck in my mind. There were a lot of fairy-tale references, and I am pretty sure there was one about an angsty fallen angel who becomes a rock star, which I ate up with a spoon when I was sixteen. Larque on the WingBERJAYA, which I am pretty sure I would remember, sounds interesting.

Lisa Tuttle. Click on her tag for rec; I only ever read one of her solo books, but I liked it.

Connie Willis. If you’re only familiar with her novels and her more recent, fluffy short stories, I highly recommend her earlier collections of short stories, Impossible ThingsBERJAYA and Fire WatchBERJAYA. The title story of the latter is one of my very favorite short stories of all time. Writing at a short length eliminates most of what I sometimes find annoying about her work (bloat, padding, plots driven by endless miscommunication.) There are a few clunkers in each volume, but the overall quality is extremely high. Most of my favorites of her short stories are serious, but “In the Late Cretaceous,” in which professors and students are driven to madness by bureaucracy, lack of parking spaces, and academic in-fighting, made me laugh and laugh.

Authors I’ve never read, R-W: Marta Randall, Susan Shwartz, Pamela Sargent, Joan Vinge, Élisabeth Vonarburg, Cherry Wilder. If you’ve ever read anything by either of them, please discuss in comments.
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From: [personal profile] twistedchick


Larque on the Wing is wonderful. I reread it every few years and keep laughing at the wry comments on society and personal expectations.
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From: [personal profile] ambyr


I think Vinge is more known for Snow Queen, which I was never able to get into, but I have a fondness for her Cat novels (particularly Catspaw). They are distinctly from the "torture your protagonist, then torture him some more" school of writing, though, so if you're allergic to that sort of thing you may want to avoid them. Cat is a young street orphan whose half-alien ancestry gives him particularly strong psionic powers that he has no idea how to use. Caught in a police sweep, he ends up being taken in by a psionic institute and working as an undercover agent for a government for which he understandably has no fondness whatsoever, but is probably (maybe?) better than the alternative.
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From: [personal profile] rhivolution


Seconded. The Cat novels are very good. I personally DID like Snow Queen and Summer Queen, too, though it's been ages since I read them.
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From: [personal profile] kore


I was going to make just this comment! I read the first two novels as an adolescent, and was pleasantly surprised later to find out they held up pretty well. I didn't hate the Snow Queen &c books, but they didn't tickle me either.
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From: [personal profile] umbo


I love Joan Vinge! The Snowqueen books and the Psion books are awesome; I think you would like them!
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From: [personal profile] oursin


Thirding (I think that is) Vinge, and also reccing Marta Randall, in particular I remember Journey and Dangerous Games as being an enjoyable blend of family saga and space opera (though it's years since I read them). Wilder is also worth taking a look at, though somehow has never quite gripped me in the way I thought she might.
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From: [personal profile] rhivolution


I've read Pamela Sargeant's Venus series and also Shore of Women. The former is okay, a bit refreshing if you've grown tired of the Kim Stanley Robinson variety of terraforming series. The Shore of Women is your bog standard 70s/80s second wave white feminist novel, with themes really better done in Tepper's Gate to Women's Country, though I found it interesting as a period piece.

She edited the brill Women of Wonder anthologies, too.
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From: [personal profile] kore


(The book of The Godfather is not much like the movie. It opens with a scene in which a woman angsts over her hugely cavernous vagina, which is so immense that she can't even feel a normal-sized penis inside it. Luckily Sonny has an equally monstrous penis.)

whut

I think you posted about Blackout, but not All Clear - did you read it? Did you not like it? Just curious.
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From: [personal profile] kore


Aww! Well, I can, uh, see that, oh yes. (OH CONNIE. It could have been your best book ever. sigh.)


(I totally do not remember that from reading the Godfather, did I just have a copy with the first page ripped out? WTF?)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle

Godfather


It's a lot more than one page; actually the young woman turns out to have a medical problem which is capable of being treated with simple surgery and is, by the most sympathetic male character in the book, several hundred pages and much angst later*.



*The book also includes a justification for the horse's head scene, which makes it a great deal clearer that while it remains extremely hard lines on the horse, the director had it coming, and how.
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From: [personal profile] telophase

Joan Vinge - Psion and Catspaw


Ahem. Let me translate into Rachelspeak...

PSYCHIC STREETWISE HALF-ALIEN UNWILLING GOVERNMENT AGENT ORPHAN HUSTLER ANGSTING SILENTLY WITH CATLIKE EYES

That is all.


Rachel, I can't believe you haven't read at least Catspaw! Cat is totally Rivas' cousin! Psion is a different book in feel, mostly because it was aimed at a younger audience, I think, but I read Catspaw first and was not traumatized by it, in fact I totally imprinted on Cat's character by that point. Only read Dreamfall once, didn't particularly care for it.
Edited Date: 2011-06-29 02:20 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com

Re: Joan Vinge - Psion and Catspaw


Psion is a different book in feel, mostly because it was aimed at a younger audience, I think

Not by authorial intent, no, but in its first printing it was MASSIVELY bowdlerized to suit the publisher's idea of what would make things suitable for a YA audience. I first read the old censored version and found the shift in feel between Psion and Catspaw rather startling, then I found out about the hatchet-job edit and read the later reprint that restored all the bits left out -- MUCH different, and better experience. I still like Catspaw the best out of the whole series, but make sure to get the proper non-YA version of Psion and it won't feel nearly as mismatched.
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From: [personal profile] lenora_rose


Another one to Rec Catspaw (Psion and Dreamfall are also good, the one is a prequel, the other a sequel, but Catspaw is the best). I liked Snow Queen but none of the other related books.

The Marta Randall I read was The Sword of Winter, a slightly politicky high fantasy with a fairly sensible heroine. I liked.
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From: [personal profile] lenora_rose


Oh, and Nancy Springer is really odd, in that her early books are pretty strightforward high fantasy with almost no seriously protagging females and a fair bit of surprisingly un-Subtexty brotherly bonds between the heroes, segueing into much weirder and more interesting high fantasy with much more subtexty brotherly bonds, then split off into two stream; horsy and fairly tame YA, often Arthurian, and the whacked-out urban fantasy (and actual gay characters!) including Metal Angel and all. One of the best of these, though the least weird/cracktastic, is the YA "Hex Witch of Seldom", which is a very horsy book. The other is definitely Larque on the Wing, which struck me a LOT as an author basically saying, "Screw 'will this sell?', I'm having FUN." From how hard it was to find, I'm guessing it didn't do too well (I found my copy for 50 cents in a used SF store and practically hugged it to the counter). Pity.

From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com


Larque on the Wing is pretty great.

Joan D. Vinge is one of the people I think of when I think "kids with powers"! I haven't read the Cat books in ages, but you should definitely give them a try. Psion is first.

From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com


I remember liking Springer's Book of the Isle series back as a teenager, but I have no idea if it would stand up now.

Joan Vinge's stuff is good -- I'm surprised that you never read at least The Snow Queen. Though I liked the Cat books better, even if the levels of whump can be overdone.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


I was too busy reading about the Angst of the Giant-Vagina'd, apparently.

I clearly need to read Psion. Angsty psychic kid angsts about being psychic!

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Nitpick: this is actually part IV.

Nitpick for the person who originally compiled this list: Sydney Van Scyoc was first published in 1962. (Her first novel was published in 1971, but ISFDB lists a bunch of stories from the 60s.)


From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


I've read a bunch of Willis, but other than that, not much from this list. All I have read from Shwartz is her material in the two Arabesques anthologies she edited, but I think that is all story introductions and framing stories. These anthologies included stories by Springer and Wilder, but I don't remember much about them now.
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer


I've read a couple of Shwartz's historical fantasies, all set in western or central Asia, and kinda uneven. All are cleanly written and work the well-researched setting well, but often emotionally cold, for lack of a better phrase. What passion there was, which often isn't much, wasn't felt. Silk Roads and Shadows was the best, or at least the one I remember the best.

---L.
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer


For Pamela Sargent, I liked the first Venus terraforming book (thick SF trilogy on the same subject as Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars version, only started first), but couldn't get into the second and by the time the third came out, I'd sold them off. Her Genghis Khan novel is well-recommended, but I never got around to it.

For Vinge, I especially liked The Snow Queen -- the first sequel sat oddly on me, though. I've bounced off the first of the Psion books a couple times, which is odd as they sound like my thing.

---L.

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I've read Fair Peril by Springer, and liked it, especially for having a middle aged professional storyteller as the protagonist. I liked it enough that I bought a bunch of her other books, which I haven't read yet. I don't think I have the one about the rockstar fallen angel but obviously that needs to be in my life.

I've read Psion but didn't feel compelled to seek out the other books, even though I love books about psychic kids. Needs moar psychic-ness.

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My review (http://rushthatspeaks.dreamwidth.org/353978.html?#cutid1) of Elizabeth Vonarburg's In the Mother's Land. Short version: run, don't walk. In the upper tier of things I've read recently.

From: [identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com


I think Springer was one of the authors I quit reading in my teens after noticing that all the books of hers that I read had sad endings.
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I've read Springer's Fair Peril. My memory of the plot goes something like this: the middle-aged heroine finds a frog prince who runs off with her daughter, decides to go to the mall to get them back, runs into the Fairy Queen in the food court, and shout at her in EXTREMELY ANGRY ALLCAPS for a while, accidentally turns her child's-book-cover-tattooed librarian sidekick into a frog, dances through the moonlight with a magical shopping-mall stag for a bit, and then maybe learns some life lessons? (I think the tattooed librarian sidekick finds a hot biker dude to kiss him back into being human, so that was all right.) It was kind of amazingly surreal! And very, very eighties.

I looked for other things by her after that but I remember nothing about them except that none of them were anywhere near as exciting.

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Yes, that jibes with my very vague memory: WTF did I just read? Who knows, but I liked it.
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I liked The Luck of Brin's Five by Cherry Wilder a lot. I think it was the first science fiction I read that had alien cultures with different family structures as part of the world-building.

From: [identity profile] ejmam.livejournal.com


Ditto. Also, the sequels aren't as good, but I was so excited to find out there *were* more that I didn't care. Cherry Wilder is one of my "automatically check in used book stores" authors.

From: [identity profile] cat-i-th-adage.livejournal.com


Also, a good book of Wilder's to try is A Princess of the Chameln.

Eh, the princess of a small, about-to-be-conquered country is forced to go into exile while the Resistance gets itself together. She waits, and waits, and waits... Lots of world-building. Lots of scraps of other people's stories for Aidris to wander through. It manages to feel pragmatic and realistic without either denying the magical nature of the setting or getting gratuitously gory (no vomit shots).

And when I was a kid, I liked it 'cause the heroine looked a lot like me - short, with dark hair. What can I say, I was kinda shallow.
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From: [personal profile] seajules


Vinge's Cat books do feature an alien kid with psychic powers, but the main appeal is probably the mix of extreme pain of all kinds, the emotional porn, and the, well, porn (not really graphic enough for this term, but there are several mentions of both sex and rape). Cat's a street kid who does what he has to to survive before, if I remember correctly, getting blackmailed into joining a group of people with various forms of psychicness in the first book. He also spends at least a little bit of each book very sick. I don't remember exactly how explicitly that's described, but it's enough you should be forewarned. Anyway, this might be one of those series that you would have loved if you'd encountered them when younger, but they may be a little much these days.
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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com


I have read very little else by Vinge, but was introduced to the Cat books a couple of years ago by way of a friend's amazing Vinge/Saiyuki fusion fic. Cat works remarkably well as a SF-AU take on the best sorts of fanon Gojyo, and the levels of angst and emoporn are very very compatible with the fanfic id.

(Be careful when picking up the first book, however -- the earliest printings were bowdlerized for a "no sex, this is YA" edition, and the characterization, and plot comprehensibility, suffer greatly as a result. Make sure you're getting a copy printed in 1996 or later.)

From: [identity profile] amberley.livejournal.com

Larque on the Wing, and others


I have a dozen books by Nancy Springer on my to-be-read shelves, including Metal Angel, about the angsty fallen angel who becomes a rock star. I tracked down everything of hers I could find because I liked Fair Peril so much. Fair Peril is about a middle-aged divorced mother who tries to rescue her teen daughter from faeries, told from the POV of the mom, who is not at all the typical urban fantasy heroine. Fair Peril is "the place that is not a place, where everything is itself and also something else." The friend who recommended Fair Peril also highly recommended Larque on the Wing. I notice she also has a series starting with Rowan Hood: Outlaw Girl of Sherwood Forest.

I liked Lisa Tuttle's The Mysteries, about a PI hired to find a girl who's gone missing, perhaps carried away by faeries. I have a couple of her other books on the strength of that, but haven't been able to track down a copy of Nest of Nightmares, which I hear is very scary.

I liked Salmonson's Tomoe Goezen very much but never got around to reading the sequel.
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From: [personal profile] rosefox


Larque is fantastic.

I recall quite liking a number of Pamela Sargent's short stories, though I don't remember any of them specifically now.

I imprinted strongly on Joan Vinge's The Snow Queen and, to a lesser extent, The Summer Queen; World's End is pretty good too.
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I adore Marta Randall's _Sword of Winter_. It's not your standard fantasy, set in a world that's beginning to undergo the transition into the industrial revolution. There's a little bit of possible/deniable magic, too, and interesting world-building, as well as a wonderfully stubborn and surly viewpoint character.

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Connie Willis! I met her at a Con. She rocks.
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