OBE Course

I haven't been doing much other than working, drinking and a bit of skating.

Hello, new here

[13 Jun 2005|02:13pm]

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Hi :)
I'm new here & thought I'd say hello and post my most recent oobe

Sunday night, June 12th ~05

I was laying on the couch here on my tummy...

I felt the vibrations and it happened soooo super fast!!

I rose my head up and I even felt the split!! at first I was happy but I looked around and saw something that frightened me!! there was a figure standing here in the room.. I will try to describe him or it...

Tall, dark and it had a grey face. no eyes,nose or mouth!! just a plain grey face and I got scared and burried my astral face into my pillow. I started to hear things like someone ranting on me, it sounded like " My god! she is blah blah blah!!"

I made my bodies mesh back and I got out of bed to make sure I was all together.

I didn't try to project anymore after that.

Well I was really wanting to project cause I've been over due for one.

This sucks!! This is the first time that a scarey being was right there when I got out! dam the bad luck!! grrrrrrrr

[22 Apr 2005|06:35pm]

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soooo... any dreams lately? i've had 3 lucid dreams in the last month, which is pretty impressive for me. are y'all not posting because you aren't dreaming, are too busy dreaming, or have already left this world behind?

in the words of my boss: encourage each other.

The Book

[13 Feb 2005|10:54am]

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I ordered the 90 day course book a few days back. It should be coming on either Wednesday or Thursday. So I think instead of starting this course today with everybody else, I'll start it when I get the book so I don't have to deal with the complications of looking up what I have to do on the Internet every day. I still plan to post quite often on my progress. I can't wait until I get my books. I also ordered Astral Dynamics along with the 90 day program book...

Who's starting?

[12 Feb 2005|10:40am]

astral_dowser

So how many are starting the course together tomorrow?

[05 Feb 2005|01:51am]

I just realized the 90 course is no longer online, they've turned it into a book. Lucky I saved a copy if you need it for reference it can be found here
http://www.webdiva.org/obe.htm

its time!

[05 Feb 2005|01:09am]

To those on this list as slack as we have been. I plan to start the OBE course Sunday February 13th. I am hoping to go the full 90 days without any interuption. being a realist i know there may be days i have to skip but ultimately i want to stick to it as much as possible. if anyone else is seriously interested in starting on that date and making it an interesting group experiment, then please join me. BERJAYA

woohoo!

[29 Dec 2004|06:44pm]

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i took about 2x the standard adult dose of nyquil cough which contains a modest amount of dmx, fucked around for a bit on the computer, then went to bed. i lay there marveling at how deep and even my breathing was and drifted into a mild stupor. at some point i realized 'i' was actually drifting a few inches above my body. the view was slightly distorted, it was as if the normal rules of perspective did not apply and my body did not look quite solid, it looked somewhat fuzzy. i lay there for a moment and then loud voices from outside the window began talking about someone inside. it took awhile to realize they were prolly talking about me. they were saying how i keep to myself and then one of them suggested i was gay and then they all went into discussion on it while i was dullwittedly trying to figure out the reasoning. then the voices started chanting: 'get out' repeatedly and in a low monotone steadily rising into a loud, fast chat. then i was mad a little because hell no im not leaving my apartment for you, gay or not! then i woke up all groggy but enthusiastic because it was cool though a little weird.

Interesting Article

[02 Dec 2004|11:33pm]

Im on an OBE email list and found this quite interesting, thought I would share.

Super duper exit method in the works!

Last Sunday I was able to have 6 or so OBEs in a row during the afternoon by breathing in the same manner that you do when while you're asleep, it only took an average of about 15 minutes to have each OBE. Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce that success since, I've only come to the edge of projecting using this breathing method.

I am sharing with the list what I've discovered so far and I will be posting more updates as I rediscover what it was I was doing that made exiting the body so easy.

15 Minute Artificial Sleep OBE Method

The idea here is to fool the body into falling asleep by pretending you're already asleep. We breathe in a pretty specific and even method while asleep. If you lay down and breathe as if you're asleep then your body gets tricked into shutting down while your mind is fully alert.

Steps:

When you wake up in the morning, before moving or opening your eyes pay attention to how you're breathing. You will find that your breathing is somewhat deep and has and unusually even rhythm. I think the exceptional evenness of the breathing cycle is key. You may also find that your breathing has a certain sound to it as the air runs along the back of your throat and the upper back part of your nasal cavity, that may help to stimulate your nerves into relaxing somehow.

Be very still and continue breathing in that exact method.

Daydream while also paying attention to your breathing for 15-20 minutes, this will paralyze you

Use deep breathing once you're fully paralyzed to separate into an OBE

The first time I did it this way it actually surprised me when the heaviness wave came to send my body to sleep because I wasn't expecting it to work so well. It sent me into about 75% paralysis, I took another breath and entered 100% paralysis. I then began deep breathing to separate from my body. I used this method many more times testing it that afternoon, I should have made a recording of how the breathing sounded but I'll just have to discover it again I suppose.

I've since tried making a recording of my breathing somewhat soon after waking up and listening to it but I haven't gotten a rhythm that works as well as it could. The best I can do right now is enter about 10% paralysis.

So, this method has a great deal of potential because it means we'll have a way for people to have OBEs in a mere 15 minutes at any time of day and there's no need to do any training or visualization or anything! Nor is there a need to get up early in the morning as is need to do rhythm napping.

I would really appreciate any feedback people have experimenting with this method, please post any results you have using it and we'll be able to make it more powerful even faster.

For instance there is almost certainly an even easier way to exit than the 15 minute method. Robert Monroe talked about a single-breath quick-switch method which is more or less instantaneous. Hopefully the 15 minute method is a pathway to Monroe's single breath method. We'll find out soon enough!

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewForum.jsp?f=0

[16 Nov 2004|12:44pm]

I had an OBE this morning! Check it.

Cross posted to my journal.

BERJAYA

[30 Oct 2004|08:36am]

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whoohoo! i astral projected and remembered it! revolt of the brain suckers

it wasn't quite lucid, i had no identity, thoughts, or feelings until the last part of it, where i became somewhat identified as a soldier trying to escape an ugly fate. up to that point, i could observe and switch my pov from one person to another. the strength of his feelings trapped me, i thought i was him.

this was the same point where i became afraid for myself, so there may be something to the theory that we have two minds and that they don't know about each other.

[12 Oct 2004|02:56am]

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preparation: nothing special besides daily exercises in memory and attention. today i started paying special attention to when i open or close containers, on any scale. if i open a bottle, i mentally say to myself 'opening a bottle', 'opening a door', etc. it creates flashes of greater awareness that can be gone back to later like tracks on a cd.

also, i am taking ginko biloba that seems to help irl, and lights up dreams like daylight.

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i am flying over a sea, watching coasts rush under me, slowing and descending; i see that the coasts
are not so realistic and appear to be cartoonlike. a familiar voice is describing things to me in a
monotone, giving me advice on things in life. the voice kind of sounds like my own, but off somehow.
i notice the fact that it is giving advice, something i habitually do irl and try to quit it, and it is much harder than usual, usually i can drop a line of thought easier than this.

i focus on a fishing line dragging through the water under me and i can see 2 fish speeding after it.
there is a momentary fear of sharks and it clicks off as i realize that it is all just a dream and these fish are exactly what i want. i am not the bait itself, my thoughts are.

there is a pop and i wake up in a realistic hotel room with the lights on and traffic noises outside. i'm
lying in bed and kind of chuckling because i realize it was a silly dream and maybe i should see if
this is still a dream. there is a voice telling me i am groggy though i can sense that it is a lie,
and start trying to figure out how i came to be in this hotel room that looks kinda like my apt but
rotated in a different orientation and larger.

there are piles of clothes on the floor, just like irl, lol. and they are clothes i have in irl,
including a bright yellow shirt i only wear when out of clean clothes. just as i decide to climb out of bed and do something, i can hear heavy footsteps racing up the stairs as i fumble for clothes. (i am naked).

someone is pounding on the door as i pull on a faded black pair of levis and hop for the door. the
doorframe is vibrating and the door itself is wobbling inward under the force of their blows. there is a
brief moment of indecision as i wonder if opening the door is such a good idea and then i don't care,
LET'S KICK SOME ASS.

i yank the door open and there are two huge guys out there, one right in front of the door naturally,
and the other a bit down the stairs on a landing. the guy pounding on the door is dressed in leather and
biker stuff, his face kind of familiar, kinda halfway between my dad and justin. i look at his face and it
shifts, i can tell he is trying to find an intimidating face, someone i am afraid of, but it ain't happening. even as his friend is rushing up the stairs behind us, i feel a swell of power. i leap on him like a cat and hook my arm behind his neck and start punching him as hard as i can in the face.

i think he was surprised, lol.

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minor rant

[17 Aug 2004|08:31pm]

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had a minor dream last night after deciding i didn't give a shit about dreaming for awhile. the colors and setting were bright, which usually is a precursor to lucidity.

i am gonna keep trying and try to fool myself that i don't care because it seems to work. i reality test every day now, though more often on some than others. i take an inventory of my body during the day and relax muscles that are needlessly tense, it seems to work better than the focused tensing and relaxing muscles, it just switches me off like a switch and then i wake up hours later, completely dreamless.

the mobile body awareness schtick is pretty kewl, been doing it awhile, again, during the day. sometimes i have these odd states of mind where i can sense or feel things outside of what could be considered a normal range. know where someone in particular is all the way across the building, or feel extreme empathy for someone i have little or no relationship with. i think this may be what lucid dreaming is supposed to do for us but somehow it happens to me while waking and i am frustrated that it is so hard to dream now that finally we have people who want to all together.
it's the dreamers equivalent of blue-balls.

it seems clear to me that our bodies have something going on that they do not want to reveal to the mind... and it seems to be especially bad in my case. anyone else feeling me?

Dave's Day 6.

[14 Aug 2004|11:08pm]

Dream.
Frisbee Ball Makes Me Late For Flight
Walk-Through.
Skipped it. I'm a bastard. There are too many family members around, so I couldn't be comfortable doing it. I resorted to imagining it.
Relaxation.
The "Awareness Hands" are tough. Tough to feel it. Getting sliiiiiiiiightly better toward the end. I always have horrible knots in my back, shoulders, etc, and my girlfriend is 3000 miles away for another week-and-a-half, so no massages. And skateboarding doesn't help.
Tactile Imaging.
Went about normal for thumbs. Righty was stubborn, left seemed alright. While working on left toe, hell, maybe it had never activated before. It seemed much deeper a buzzing. The two possible contributing factors were 1) utilizing breathing technique more 2) stirring my finger deeper, not just at or barely below the skin.

[13 Aug 2004|11:56pm]

Yeah, feels pretty lonely here. Am I coming across as arrogant for posting so diligently? Y'all just busy?

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Dave's Day 5.

[13 Aug 2004|11:55pm]

Dream.
I didn't sleep last night. At all.
Color Breathing.
Despite my skepticism -- even if only for the the placebo effect -- it seems as if imagining the color does make it more invigorating. Maybe it gives the mind more to focus on? Deeper breaths definitely work better, while shallow breathing does very little. Quite tough to keep mind from zoning out and wandering eventually. I have no discipline.
Energy Work.
Toes worked fine. Right thumb still stubborn, but a little better. It seems as if I'll start to try to get the right thumb activated and while I work on it, the left already starts tingling. Stupid right thumb. Got caught up in the work a couple times, forgetting time, just feeling it -- but that was probably only for about fifteen seconds at a time. It's a start, I guess.

Dave's Day 4.

[12 Aug 2004|05:20pm]

Dream.
None.
Walk-Through.
For my Astral planning, I walked out from the doorway in my room, through the hall, kitchen, dining room. Then out the back sliding glass door, into the yard beneath the tree with pink flowers, and to the birdbath. (The notes are in the zipped Excel file.)
Relaxation.
Relaxed quickly. Getting it down so that I assume next time I won't need any guidance from the book on what to do next. Even during midday (possibly due to the heat?), though, I end up feeling quite sleepy -- not just relaxed.
Breath Awareness.
Keeping my mind completely blank is about the toughest thing possible. Tried to let my mind just go peacefully empty, but then I realized I was thinking about things, only not realizing it. I can keep it a tottering empty, knowing thoughts are just at the edge, but not fully realized, for about a minute.
Tactile Imaging.
I definitely felt the activation in my left thumb and right big toe, slightly in my left big toe, and hardly in my right thumb. I think that my left side is generally more responsive. It was hard to keep any stirring feeling in my right thumb's base joint.

Dave's Day 3.

[12 Aug 2004|02:00pm]

Dream.
Puddle Flight and Chewed-Up Ankles
Relaxation.
Relaxation's getting a bit quicker now, but that may only be due to not having to read the instructions and all. Today was another day of slacking, as I had things on my mind and was just trying to squeeze in the time, doing things inbetween sections, too. Oooh, I'm a bad person.
After-Image.
Stared at the lamp in my room. It's toward a window, but since it was late anyway, the blinds were closed, and there was no scene of which to take note. It's hard to keep the glow: more than anything, it seemed, the only way I could keep it was to trace what my rational mind recalled as the outline rather than having the image simply etched in.
MBA.
Most slacking done here. Nothing to say; same as before. I swear, tomorrow I will actually have time allotted.

[11 Aug 2004|05:58pm]

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Damn. Lost my green crystal. Had some good dreams after gazing at it for hours way back when.

Last night I fucked off and blew through the exercises and did not dream at all, prolly because the meat puppet doesn't like being watched; and here we are all watching ours, talking about 'em, discussing their performance right in front of 'em...

Gonna spend more time on the gazing tonight, once I find something good to gaze at, a rock or something. I find that it is better to gaze at things that come from the earth, as natural and unprocessed as possible. Gazing works. If I weren't so lazy and ADD ridden, I'd prolly be lucid already.

Shall we stick to day 1 until we all report some kind of dream? I think it will be easier to 'help' or support each other if we stick around the same level. Not to discourage innovation, hell no. These authors took years to develop their OBE techniques, so I think we owe it ourselves to take our time, hone our own techniques.

Partly in response to AbrasiveDave's post, partly due to my own curiosity, I consider a lucid dream an OBE, whether or not i actually see my body in the dream or not. Is this the general consensus or are we gonna keep to a more rigorous definition?

Dave's Day 2.

[11 Aug 2004|02:37am]

Dream.
Old Flames at Grocery Store.
OBE Objectives.
I've never had an OBE. What/where are these objectives?
Relaxation.
Stretching is alright. I used another chair tonight, since it was late enough. The deep breaths may work the best. I sort of count, but often lose count -- which I take as a good thing.
Spot focus.
I'll do the spot focus later. I wanted to attempt the object focus again. I used a little semi-stuffed chicken doll. I tried feeling how the shape felt, which helped somewhat. Still, the deal seemed spoiled because of my cat's incessant meow.
Energy Work.
I half-assed this. A few areas seemed to tingle quite notably -- knees, big toes. Moving the sensation along is more difficult.
Affirmations.
Read, memorize? So far I'm just reading. If they stay the same, I assume I'll memorize 'em.