COSIMA - Interview, March 2020.

Back in March, I interviewed Cosima for a fashion website’s summer campaign. Then, y’know, a pandemic kicked off. Then, y’know, I got fired from said fashion website. So when I saw the website publishing shots from said campaign, I figured that my interview with Cosima would be lost forever, or chopped into pieces, or (most likely) my work would never get the credit it deserves. So that’s why I’m publishing it here, for you to read, without being told to buy anything. One love, and motherfuck a Mike Ashley.
What’s a normal day like in the life of Cosima?
I don’t have a normal day, cos every day is completely different. If I’m recording and writing in the studio, then I’ll get there mid-morning so I can stay there until the next morning. If I’m more of the label side of things, then I’m sorting through all my emails. And if I’m preparing for something visual like a shoot or a music video, then I’ll just be spending every day taking stuff in - reading new books, looking at new images, going through reference libraries. Every day is completely different - the only thing that’s consistent is that I’ll be doing scales at some point in the day to keep my voice in shape.
Tell us a little bit about yourself. How would your friends describe you?
Probably invisible, I’m always getting texts like where are you? But I’m also very loyal, very headstrong. I’m like the person who will decimate the ex or like the person who’s hurt my friend. So I’m very loyal on that front. Late for everything to do with social, like parties I’m always the last person there because I’m always in the studio. And funny - like, yeah, I’m the comedian of the group chat.
I read that you discovered Ella Fitzgerald’s music at the local library, and that got you interested in music?
Yeah, I think so - before that point, I didn’t understand how much the singing voice was a tool of communication, and then when I found that Ella Fitzgerald CD, it just blew my mind. It was Dulwich Library and I was always there at the time, so I would go back every week and just pick out a bunch of CDs, you know how you used to burn them to the computer? Basically that, and then I just used to have like the Billie Holiday complete Decca recordings. Just finding like stuff that way. It’s not just like an album. It’s like different takes, all of these different versions of making music and it’s all of these kinds of like moments, because you don’t realize how much how many takes there are that are maybe just as expressive, but then you only ever hear the final one. Once I discovered that it was over.
So I borrowed, like, a Judy Garland boxset from one of my really good friends at the time - again, blew my mind. Then every time I discovered a new singer, it just blew my mind because - especially in jazz, everyone’s singing the same song, the same standards, but everyone sang so differently and you just can feel each person’s life experiences in how they interpret the same notes. And once I discovered that, it was just kind of like every time, I discover something else, something else, something else… I’m like, very geeky when it comes to that. Like, I would just research stuff to death and every time I listened, I would just love it even more. I just wanted to make it and you make something that could move people how [this music] moved me.
French Montana feat. Chinx and N.O.R.E. - Off the Rip (off Casino Life 2: Brown Bag Legend, 2015, self-released)
Excuse My French was a victory run that should have buckled at the knees - Max B’s weed holder given the keys to the game and allowed to run wild with the (somehow!) bottomless Bad Boy budget for the season. It didn’t sell, but it was a masterwork in overcoming the lowest of expectations, and if you glimpsed through the weed haze and the tinted shades, there was a human working through some stuff. I caught onto his weird sense of melancholy; on the pretty great Coke Boys 4 tape, he called for Mecca in the same breath as calling for some head. He let you in bit by bit, as dunderheaded as he could be.
With Casino Life 2, French is all dunderhead. It’s a slog, the peak of when heartless blockbuster mixtapes overtook any sense of experimentation or heart. When paired with Rick Ross on the nap-worthy ‘Aintnuttin’, you notice he’s ascended to Rick Ross’s bogus boredom now, lazily marinating in the best off-cut instrumentals they can find. They’re treating rap music like hookah bars. Puff, puff, pass, nothing staying in the system.
The one highlight is ‘Off the Rip‘, a classic New York banger that screams for Funk Flex bombs (he premiered it) as much as it recalls a long-lost NY dominance with a N.O.R.E. cameo and vinyl scratches lifted from Swizz Beatz’ early-2000 bag of tricks. French doesn’t sound like he’s tormented by anything - and we don’t need that, not all the time! But the least you can ask is for these goofballs to bring some energy to their dunderheadedness. That’s emotion as well. If you’re going to marinate in these beats, shouldn’t you at least taste some flavour?
Where Homogenic used the textures of techno and intense strings to evoke raw but beautiful landscapes, Vespertine favours the clean and often gentle. Björk enlisted an Icelandic woman’s choir for the first time, and used the explicitly natural for percussion, famously sampling the sound of feet pressing into snowy terrain. The continued absence of bass not only raises structural challenges for Björk – who pieced the album together on a laptop over three years before bringing in collaborators – but also keeps things from falling into mawkishness or lazy laptop-music minimalism. Without bass to ground them, the choirs and snow sound celestial.
I wrote about Björk’s evolution as a producer for RBMA.
I wrote the full song last night and I just have to make a full beat for it. The song is pretty straightforward, I just like singing about being a parasite and the tarantula hawk is a favorite of mine that I relate to a lot. This is the last verse, hope you enjoy. With luck I’ll be performing this live later this month
~coming soon~
AEON ON THE BEAT, HO!
(via executionerbarbie)
Do you consider Blackheart a feminist album?
Yeah. But listen, before you write that down, let me go back. People throw that term around so strongly these days that I want to be careful in the way I state this: I am just a woman. I’m a woman that has stood by her brand and this independent push for a very long time. A lot of my other records have taken a feminist approach because I feel like there are not enough of us out there having the voice that we should have, and when we speak, we’re ridiculed. A lot. I’m not here to call myself a feminist, but what I love about our brand is that as a woman, I’m able to put out an album that never antagonises the woman, only lifts her. And what we’re trying to do is beyond than just being a woman or the colour of your skin – there is no gender, no colour and no genre to this music. It is universal. Blackheart is not a feminist album – the movement that we’re doing is a feminist act.
For the folk at FACT, I got to speak to the brilliant Dawn Richard about her vocal evolution, what it means to fall, DJ Carisma and the Greek myth of Calypso. I also got to say some spirited shit about her sophomore album Blackheart! Seriously, buy Blackheart already.
“If you look at pro wrestling pre-kayfabe, there’s something ugly and gritty about it and sometimes it looks like a real fight, which is really exciting. The audience believed it when the Four Horsemen came into the cage to beat up Dusty Rhodes. People were freaking out and climbing the cage so they could help save Dusty Rhodes. We’ll never be at that point again. Too many of us know it’s all just a show. So with black metal I’m torn, because part of me thinks it’s interesting to drop the mask, but there’s also a level of believing that these dudes are this fucking extreme.”
For RBMA and just in time for Royal Rumble weekend, I spoke to Daniel Krow, the Portland gentleman behind Lives of the Kemet and the album Willow and Fall. The album is a surreal, frightening and discombobulating take on the life of wrestler Jeff Hardy and the history of 90s black metal. The conversation is a fascinating one about two sub-cultures and the interesting way that they correlate. Also, Amanda Bynes and Euronymous!
“There’s a term that is overused here - naco. It’s used nowadays for everything that doesn’t fit into a Western way of life, are considered naco, as shorthand for bad taste. Not in all of Mexico, of course, but the country’s trying to cleanse their background to move into a fully Western world. That shouldn’t happen. In this case, tribal is something autonomous, and when it’s trying to be that, a lot of people say “eugch, it’s for nacos” because it doesn’t fit the correct Western way. So tribal became a novelty, when the reality is that it’s everywhere, so we have to go ahead and give it the proper respect that it definitely has in our hearts.”
For Red Bull Music Academy, I spoke to Tomás Davo of Mexico’s NAAFI label about why Latin America is a myth, being pigeonholed as a spokesperson for all Mexican music, and his new role as a musicologist.
BEST OLD MUSIC 2015
