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Showing posts with label Family History. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Family History. Show all posts

Thursday, 14 November 2013

Help Needed.

  
The following email from Claire Hufnagel was received by us recently. I do hope someone can help her.
 Over to Claire...
 I wonder if you could please help me.

I was given this information (see below) about The Bridge Inn as it could refer to either Samuel Smith my gggrandfather who died in 1854, and who appears in the previous censuses as a beer seller in Hoviley Brow, Hoviley Lane & Hoviley Bridge, or his son Samuel Smith who figues in the 1861 Census and his widow Martha Ann Smith (née Turner) in 1881 as running a pub at 14 Cheapside. No name of the place appears at 14 Cheapside in 1861, 1871 or 1881.


But in the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, with different owners,  this address, 14 Cheapside, has the name "Hatters Arms". In 1911, it is still a pub but no name.

Do you know anything about this change of names. Do you know if The Bridge Inn and the Hatters Arms are the same place?
"The Bridge Inn, 14 Cheapside, Godley. Owners: *Walker and Homfrays, was Watson, Woodhead and Wagstaffe. The Bridge Inn was a beerhouse near the bottom of Cheapside, so named because of its proximity to the bridge crossing Hoviley Brook." (There was once a ford at this point known as Hoviley Ford.)
"The Bridge Inn was established around 1856 by Samuel Smith and in 1916 the renewal of the licence was refused because there were too many licenced houses in the area; within two hundred yards there were two fully licenced and two off licences. The owners of the Bridge Inn, Watson, Woodhead and Wagstaffe, a Salford brewery, stated in their defence that over the past five years they had spent over £22 pounds on alterations, and the landlord, Frederick Scott, protested that he had just purchased three dozen new beer glasses."

Information taken from "A History of the Pubs of Hyde and District" , by Paul Taylor

* Walker & Homfrays of Salford was registered as a brewery in 1896 (though appears to have been in existence earlier than that) and was bought out by Wilsons of Newton Heath in 1949.  In 1929 Walker & Homfrays themselves had bought up the Creeses Brewery in Hyde.


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Friday, 14 June 2013

Junction Inn revisited

The following was sent to us by Judith Hunt.

Over to Judith...



"I was interested in the photo of the Junction Inn, but I knew it was not the right picture.  I attach a photo taken around 1984." 

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"My great grandmother Mary Ann Helliwell had a shop at 148 Ashton Road which remained in the family for some years.  I know she was living in the shop in 1918 when her son was killed  at war. I also know that her daughter Edith kept the shop,  she had a daughter called Jean. Then  for a while my parents took over,  then my mothers  brother took it over for a short time before coming to Australia. I would say around late forties the shop ceased or was taken over. I know the 1984 photo shows the original shop as part of the hotel now. I would be interested to know if anyone does have earlier photo’s of the Junction with the shop alongside."


If anyone can help, please send the photo to us where we can,in turn, send it on to Judith  :)

Many Thanks for sharing, Judith !

Thursday, 14 March 2013

Low Top Farm Information needed.

 The following email was sent to us by Geoff &  Merrilyn Reeves from Queensland, Australia. ....

"In the course of Examining out family history, we often came across the Area known as  Werneth Low and my wife remembers her grandmother speaking fondly of it as she was growing up in Tasmania.
On my wife’s side of the family, it is well established that her grandmother Ethel Maud Widdowson and Joshua Hadfield moved from Hyde to Launceston Tasmania Australia
Phyllis Hadfield (her mother) came with them as a 3 year old, about 1912

Merrilyn’s  grand father Joshua Hadfield married Ethel Maud Widdowson in August 4th 1907 the Ceremony that took place at St Pauls Church Werneth.
We tried to find the church back when we visited in 2000 but failed, so adjourned to the magnificent old pub at the top of the hill with the great view and gave up.!

The question we have is:  the address provided on the marriage certificate where they lived is Low Top Farm Werneth
We do not know why but we think this farm property, if that is what it is,  was owned by a Thomas Widdowson, who may be Ethel Maud’s Father
Can any one assist in providing information about either the Farm or the two family’s
Much appreciated for any assistance".

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Map showing Low Top Farm 1875

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Map from 1910

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Aerial view of Low Top Farm circa 1970's

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Modern map showing Low Top Farm

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Map showing the site of St Pauls Gee Cross 1870's

St Pauls became Holy Trinity Church after part of the township of Werneth was transferred to the district of Gee Cross. Is this the church you mean ? See links below for more information.

St Pauls Werneth  Holy Trinity Gee Cross

Many Thanks, Geoff and Merrilyn. I hope we can find out a little more information  for you through the blog :)

Monday, 31 December 2012

The Perdue Family History.

 After going through the many emails we have received for the blog, I found this very sad story that was sent to us some time ago by Dave (sorry, I dont know your surname)... I cannot see that it was posted at the time - please accept our apologies.
 
Over to Dave now...
 
 Family History

I realised a few years ago that I was the last generation of the family to have retained the oral history.   The generation below me were far too interested in the big world of television to be bothered to sit and listen to grandparents talking about the past.  As I have no children, I have no one to pass it on to.  So I set about writing down as much as I could remember in the hope that one day it would be appreciated.

As many of you history lovers will know there is nothing simple about family history as once you show an interest it completely draws you in.  For some people there were just sketchy reminiscences and one could not be sure how much truth there was in them.  So I set about trying to fill in the details. One that totally absorbed me and has now run to 25,000 words concerned my great great aunt, Elizabeth.  All I knew was that she had spent her days in the Cheshire Asylum, Parkside, Macclesfield, dying there in 1943.  I feared the worst in unearthing this story.

The first gem came from the census record for 1901 where I found her and her five-year-old daughter as lodgers in a house in Hyde and the note “suffers epileptic fits”.  I now started to find records for her daughter and discovered she was the only one of nine babies to survive.  Obtaining the death certificates began to unravel an interesting yet heartbreaking story.  Most of the babies had died in the first few months of “inanition” what might now be termed “failure to thrive”.  I was able to get the reports of three inquests from the Ashton Under Lyne Reporter where they had been reported on at the time.  One such report absolved the mother from any neglect and in the words of the Doctor attending at the time of death “The mother had been very attentive to it.  Although in poor circumstances, she had carried out his instructions.”  And. “She had done all she possibly could for the infant.” Another child did thrive but at about one-year-old his mother fell on him during a fit and he suffocated.

Her husband stood beside her and worked to keep the family but in 1906 he decided to follow his wife’s sister and family to Boston, Mass. where he had heard they had good jobs and an excellent standard of living.  He promised to send for his wife and their last surviving child when he arrived.

My next piece of oral history to build on was that Elizabeth and her daughter went missing and were gone for a few weeks, leaving the house just as she had been living in it.  No one knew where she had gone or why.  Her brother and his wife travelled into Manchester looking for her.  She had spent her youth in Ancoats and Miles Platting.  Census records showed that as a girl of twelve she was working as a children’s nurse to a local draper’s family in Great Ancoats Street.

There was no sign of Elizabeth or her daughter Alice.  A snippet from a letter my mother wrote to me when I first started to take an interest in the family history tells the story.  Elizabeth waited and waited for word from her husband, became very poor in health and no money. The worry sent her off her mind. The family lost touch some way. I suppose, as she got poorer she moved from one place to another until her health, money and mind gave out and she must have ended up in the workhouse. That was found out because on Saturday her brother Ned and his wife Mary went down Manchester and coming back sat on the top deck of a tramcar. They saw some beggars of which there were many in those days. It was just like Fagin, you could go to the poorhouse and get a child for anything. For a little skivvy, down the pit, any dirty job in a mill, factory, hostel, anything. Now among these beggars one man had something musical, barrel organ, violin, flute, don’t know what, but he had a dirty urchin with him. God only knew if it was a girl or a boy, but it was dressed in the dirtiest clothes you could imagine. A mans cap and men’s shoes, miles too big. For some reason Mary couldn’t get the picture out of her mind. It worried her and something kept reminding her of Alice. She didn’t know why, but they talked it over, even with the children and decided to go back and try to find this child. It turned out to be Alice. Then the story unfolded. The man claimed he was her uncle on her father’s side and he was looking after her, which was doubtful. A few shilling changed hands and Alice came home to her rightful place with the family. Alice was taken home where she had all her clothes and most of her hair cut off in the back yard, and burned. She was so dirty and ‘wick’.  Elizabeth was found in the Workhouse than moved to Parkside.
*local dialect – ‘alive’ as in crawling with lice.

I then managed to track down Elizabeth’s medical records from Parkside.  They told the story of how in 1908 she had been committed to the asylum from the workhouse. Due to the deaths of her children the Doctor at Manchester Workhouse had declared her “dangerous but with harmless causes” and in line with regulations at the time, the Hyde Board of Guardians had been obliged to commit her as an “insane pauper.”  They recorded the fact that her epilepsy had started when she was about 14.

As tragic as commitment might have seemed it was the first stroke of luck for Elizabeth.  Parkside was one of the foremost medical institutions of its time and the first to have a specialist epilepsy unit.  The records over the next 35 years recorded her severe fits and the physical damage she suffered after them.  She also received prompt medical attention and treatment, something which would have been very scarce in the community pre National Health.  For anyone who may have been embarrassed by the stigma of having a relative spend her days in the asylum.  She was described as “gentle in manner, well behaved and a good worker in the laundry”. The year before she died of carcinoma of the liver she had been one of the first people to receive new anti-epilepsy medication that was just on the market.

The strange twist to the tale was that whilst initially knowing nothing about her condition I have worked as a volunteer supporting an epilepsy charity for the past 15 years.  It was through that connection that I was able to find out about the history of the treatment of ‘epileptics’.  When Elizabeth was a young woman the main treatment was Bromide Salts.  Bromism, an effect of prolonged ingestion of bromide, is characterized by mental dullness, memory loss, slurred speech, tremors, ataxia and muscular weakness, and a transitory state resembling paranoid schizophrenia.  The side effects of ‘bromism’, not only affected the patient, neonatal bromism resulted in babies with poor suck, weak cry, diminished reflexes, lethargy, and poor muscle tone.

Her husband never did get in touch.  My great grandfather met a man who had served in France in WW1 who had served with him and met his “French wife”.  In the early 1940’s great granddad also received a letter from the man’s wife and child in Boston, Mass. trying to trace their “English cousins”.  He had even had the gall to name his daughter in America Alice after the one he had abandoned in Hyde.





                                                                                           

 
 Here is a photo of "Lizzie Anne" as a young woman.
 
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I have also attached a brief history of her life and cuttings from the Reporter re the inquests.

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Sudden death.
At the Sportsman Hotel, Mottram Road Hyde, on Monday morning.  Mr Francis Newton, the district coroner, held an enquiry touching the death of Gladys Perdue, the five months old, daughter of Elizabeth and Ann Henry Robert Perdue, which occurred at Lumn Court on the sixth instant.  Mr John Firth was the foreman of the jury.  Dr Stephen Infield said that he had been attending the deceased for about five months.  It was an eight months old child and had been in delicate health since birth.  He last saw her on the 26th of October.  The mother had been very attentive to it.  Although in poor circumstances, she had carried out his instructions.  He saw the child a few minutes after death, but did not see any signs of convulsions.  It really died from inanition.  Elizabeth Ann Perdue wife of Henry Robert Perdue, a labourer employed by the great Central Railway Company, an ex-soldier second Manchester regiment served in the South African War, said she lived at 1 Lumn Court hide.  Gladys Perdue was her daughter and was five months old.  Deceased had been weak and delicate since birth and had been attended by Dr Infield.  On Friday morning, about eight o'clock, she was nursing the deceased and after watching her, she commenced sighing and moaning and died about five minutes past nine.  She sent to Dr infield but the child died before his arrival.  She had done all she possibly could for her.
A verdict to the effect that death was due to inanition was recorded.

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Thanks for sharing this very interesting piece of family history with us, Dave. :)
Much appreciated !

Sunday, 23 December 2012

The Chadwick Family



Following on from thursday post about the Chadwick Family, here is Peter Howard with some more information and great photos.... 
"Joseph Chadwick senior lived at 69 Nelson St, Joseph Edward Chadwick (my grandfather) lived at 69, and my father lived at 115.
My mother's sister, Ethel Chadwick, married John Finch. They lived on Travis St and had a sweet shop about half way down. In later years she worked at Byles".

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Joseph Chadwick Senior and his second wife, Eliza Jane Sellers. Her family lived at 24 Nelson St
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Chadwicks cart outside St George's Church, Hyde in 1920


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The same horse outside 69 Nelson St. The house had a yard at the back where the carts and horses were kept.  The man holding the horse was Jack Braddock of Queen St.




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Joseph, Rebecca and family. my mother Edith Chadwick (b.1903) is on Rebeccas knee, the other girl is Jane Chadwick, brother is Walter Chadwick (b.1890). The older girl is their niece, Fanny Pearson. Her parents died and they brought her up as their own. I remember visiting Aunty Fanny often. A very kind lady, as was Aunty Jane.

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This must have been taken about 1904/5

 Joseph Edward & Cart. Joseph Edward Chadwick holding the 'horse' in Great Norbury Street. On the card is Joseph Chadwick senior, Edith (my mother) the child on the left, Jane on the right with Walter Chadwick aged about 14. 

"From what I have learned, Robert Middleton moved originally to Gee Cross - Werneth Low about 1820, then by 1840 lived at Acorn Lane, before moving to Fern Bank Farm. His son Joseph Middleton lived at Closes Farm in Godley where Rebecca (my grandmother) was born".

Once again, Peter, thanks so much for the photos and information. It's much appreciated that you took the time and trouble to send them to us !

Friday, 21 December 2012

Joseph Chadwick

This photo and account has been sent to us by Peter Howard...
Over to Peter...

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"The gentleman driving the coach is my great grandfather Joseph Chadwick (1844-1913). He was born in Compstall as his father was an overlooker of weavers in the mill there. His father William Chadwick was born in Newton where the many of the family can be traced through the censuses.
 
Joseph senior married and his family grew up in Hyde, during the cotton famine they went to America for a few years but returned to Hyde where he bought 3 houses in the newly built Nelson Street.
His son, Joseph (junior) Edward Chadwick (1875-1947) was born in the USA but brought up in Nelson Street. The family were coal carters and furniture removers. The Hearts of Oak business used to run excursions as can be seen, I guess the photo was taken just before 1900 or so.
 
Joseph Edward (my grandfather) married Rebecca Middleton in 1897. She was a member of the Middleton family that descended from Eyam in Derbyshire during the plague  of 1664/5. Like the old Mayor of Hyde Thomas Middleton. Although not immediately related , her branch was traced through the writings and research of Thomas Middleton. Rebecca's grandfather came to Hyde from Eyam around 1820 where he had Fern Bank Farm at Gee Cross.
 
My mother, Edith Chadwick, was born in Nelson Street and my father lived there also. They met as they both worked in 'North's Mill'
 
My Chadwicks can be traced to the late 1700's in Newton and were from a family connected to Mottram church. There being many Chadwicks in the Mottram, Godley and Newton area I cannot find the true origins, this is work in progress."
 
 
A very interesting account !
Many thanks, Peter. 
Your sharing is much appreciated :)

Monday, 20 February 2012

Big Tree ( Family Tree )

The 'Big Tree' which stood on Stockport Road Gee Cross

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Family Tree Help Needed

We have had an email from Dave Sheldon which I think is interesting as apart from the usual search for relations he is seeking help with the work they did. I'll let Dave take over now....

Part of my family moved to the Dukinfield/Hyde area in the 1870s. All the women in the family worked in the cotton Industry. I am trying to work out which Cotton Mill they would have worked at. Maybe the houses they lived in were built by one of the cotton mill owners.Cencus returns indicate the following..

For Mary Sheldon

1871 Census at 16 Magdala St , Newton Heath ,Manchester , Age 22 Cotton worker
Living with parents William & Agnes Sheldon , Esther Bell – sister , Hannah Taylor-sister and William Taylor-Brother-in –Law

1881 Cencus at 138 Ashton Road , Newton , Hyde age 32
 Living with Hannah Taylor-sister ,William Taylor-Brother-in –law, Martha Taylor-niece , William Taylor-nephew , Mary Taylor-niece , Agnes Taylor-niece, Esther Bell-sister

1891 Cencus at 279 Birch Lane Dukinfield, Age 41 Head, Occupation Jack Frame Tenter
Living with Esther Bell (formerly Esther Sheldon) widowed sister age 50, Occupation Jack Frame Tenter

1901 Cencus at 6 Gregory St , Newton , Hyde. Age 52 head
Living with Esther Bell , (formerly Esther Sheldon) sister age 60, William Taylor –nephew Age 26

1911 Cencus at 5 Stafford’s Buildings , Newton , Hyde , Age 62 , A Cotton card Room Hand
Living with niece Mary Taylor Age 32
Buried age 81 on 12 June 1929 at Hyde Cemetry

I Would be grateful if you could avise me, or point me in the right direction.
Regards Dave

Thanks Dave for contacting us... it will be interesting to see what turns up on this.